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>> hopes for silent prayer. thanks for being with us. polls in illinois are about to close. we'll get the first results of the night on the "the ed show" starting right now. good evening americans. welcome "the ed show" from new york. polls just closed in illinois. the race is characterized as too early to call with mitt romney leading. this is "the ed show" let's get to work. >> each of these people running for president have given their ideas. >> it's election night in illinois and paul ryan says the candidates like his radical plan. >> you believe they will accept your budget? >> absolutely. >> republicans strategist steve smith and eugene robinson on the ryan budget's impact on the election. plus, full election night coverage with stephanie cutter of the obama campaign.
karen finney and richard wolf. in the trayvon martin case, the fbi and a grand jury are now involved. now we know trayvon martin was on the phone with his girlfriend while he was being stalked. >> he said the man is watching him. he put his hoodie on. >> the reverend al sharpton and charles blow on the new evidence that could lead to the arrest of george zimmerman. >> good to have you with us tonight. thanks for watching. the republican party is still trying to do a way with social programs for millions of americans. the house budget economy paul ryan released the republicans new budget proposal today. it looks like the old one is another attempt to push through tax cuts, defense spending and deficit reduction at the expense of the most vulnerable americans. >> it's about turning our system that has become a depen dent
culture into an upward mobile society, getting people back on on self-sufficiency. we're here to offer americans the chance to choose which future they want for themselves. >> the future offered by ryan's plan is bleak for everyone except the most fortunate americans. his budget gets rid of medicare as it exist, as it exists today. financing for medicaid. coverage would be reduced affecting the elderly and disabled. more than 30 million americans would lose their health care coverage. it has cuts to food stamp, housing stance. listening up farmers, subsidies would be cut. science programs, education sfrs, prison, fee ma and unemployment insurance all would be reduced. corporations and the wealthy get $3 trillion worth of tax cuts.
the pentagon budget would get a good boost. ryan says the republican presidential nominees, well they're going to be on board with the plan. >> i think all have campaigned on these various ideas. our nominee owes it to the country to give them a choice of two futures. we're helping them do that. each of the people running for president have given their ideas are in jive with it. >> you believe they will accept your budget? >> absolutely. >> they need to support the plan. just ask newt gingrich. he was hammered over his comments by pundits and voters. >> it's unforivable. >> i didn't do anything with paul ryan. >> you did. you're an embarrassment to our party. >> i'm sorry your feel that way. >> why don't you get out before you make a bigger fool of
yourself. >> i'm sorry your feel that way. >> he said my plan to grow the economy and balance the budget differs in details but shares the same core principles as ryan oos effort. as president i would work closely to reform government and balance the budget. voters have not changed their mind. ryan released a similar budget last year with the same cuts to programs like medicare. democrats campaigned hard against the ryan budget in a new york congressional election and won the seat. voter attitudes have not changed. a majority of people in every political group want medicare left as it is. paul ryan says his budget is about a choice of visions for america. most americans have rejected ryan's vision. let's bring in steve schmidt tonight. he served as a senior advisor to
john mccain's campaign and with us eugene robinson. gentlemen, great to have you with us tonight. steve, let me ask you first, the to 1% would get $150,000 tax break under this ryan plan. there is no polling out there that supports that this is where the country wants to go. how are the republicans going to be able to support this plan and win in november? >> look, i agree with some of your characterizations of the plan. i think that this is a serious governing blue print for republicans. i think it presents a big choice, a big difference between the president's vision and the republican vision. republicans have to do a better job than they did last year communicating the virtues of this. this is a revenue neutral plan. the tax codes are flattened to two rates, 25%, 10% so people's
tax rates go down. this is plan that can encourage economic growth, lead prosperity and tleed economic recovery. the republicans are going to have to be able to go out and communicate this against what what you previewed will be an effective line of attack. >> is it going to be hard and go on the campaign and sell this. we're talking about changening medicare. there hasn't been any polling that shows this is what the american people want. there's two issues right there and it adds to the budget deficit but balances it on the backs of the most as a ruvulner ple americans. that seems a tough sell. >> the house republicans did learn something from the first experience. when they talk about tax reform. they don't really specify what loopholes will be closed because
you're not going to come out and say let's get rid of the mortgage deduction. in terms of medicare, they say leave the current seniors alone and maybe and then we'll hit them in ten years or so. thing is really tough sell. i don't think you'll see the republican presidential candidates embracing this plan. >> democrats are already hitting the budget hard. here is a commercial from the liberal group americans united for change. >> like weekend at bernie's, everyone when no one wanted to see weekend at bernie's two, they went ahead and made the sequel any way. the same bad movie where medicare is targeted for assassination by wall street suits plotting to get their hands on senior benefit, scheming to make record insurance profits by digging deeper and deeper into seniors
pockets. >> what's the most effective way to communicate that you think the american people should go for this? >> look, at the end of the day, the country is on a past way to insolvency. the question about medicare where they say they want no changes, there are going to be changes to medicare because medicare is going broke. it's going to take responsible people from both political parties to sit in a room and to hash out an agreement on how to restore solvency. i think that republicans are going to have to communicate clearly to the american people the consequences and the stake and the looming insolvency of the country and talk about how to create jobs, how to create economic opportunity and to cast through the prism.
i think this is a serious plan. it's going to take a serious commitment for people to go out and to explain it and communicate clearly and honestly with the american people. i would say with regard to the ad, at least it's a step up from the ad where the paul ryan actor is pushing the old lady over the cliff. maybe we're headed in the right direction. >> as far as the conversation goes. some would argue going over the slif when we're drawing down in iraq and afghanistan. what about that? >> again, most of the american people, i think, think it's time for some defense cuts, and think it's time for us to pull back to a certain extent. they want the country to be safe, but they don't think we ought to be involved in simultaneously ten year wars around the globe. don't think the defense department will need all that money. again, that's hard to defend.
medicare is especially difficult because people want it fixed, but if the fix is partial, privatization or whatever you want to call it, that's something people don't like. i don't think that's going to change. i think we're going to have some difficult way to fix it. >> steve, on the other side of the conservative spectrum, there's members of congress saying they won't vote for the ryan bill because it's not going to go far enough. ryan today said everybody will be on board. the tea partiers are saying it doesn't go far enough. >> i think one of the tensions that you have in the republican primary process is you saw this fundamental republican principles during much of the last decade particularly with the delay congress where all of these principles of limited
government of responsible fiscal stewardsh stewardship, they all went out the window for political expediency. there's going to be a robust debate that takes place about a plan that is a blue print of fiscal responsibility. >> i'd be remiss if i didn't ask you about illinois tonight. steve, is this going to be a big win for romney if he wins tonight? >> i think it's going to be a commanding win for mitt romney tonight in illinois. this is a state where they expect to do well. i think they're going to do well. he'll continue to add to his delegate count tonight. the race will not be over tonight. it will keep coming forward. >> too early to call by nbc news. eugene robinson. a close finish by santorum headed to louisiana. what does it do for him? >> that would be a great outcome for santorum's point of view to keep this close. i'm not sure he will be able to do that. if he could keep this close, he keeps the discussion going and
he keeps himself, at least technically viable as a candidate for the nomination. he wants to deny romney delegates. the big question is how many delegates does mitt romney come out with. does he stay on pace to win the required 1144 delegates before the convention. >> nbc news calling the illinois primary too early to call. our coverage continues. always a pleasure. thanks for joining us. coming up, obama campaign manager stephanie cutter will join me. we'll be talking about the illinois primary and ryan budget. later, mitt romney tells the women of america, they're on their own when it comes to health care. karen finney will join me. you're watching "the ed show." we're right back. [ leanne ] appliance park has been here since the early 50s.
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welcome back. the polls are closed in illinois. the race is too early to call with mitt romney leading. stephanie, good to have you with us tonight. we'll get to illinois tonight. i want to talk about the ryan budget, if i may. i don't see any clamoring out there for the wealthiest americans to get 150,000 dollar tax cuts nor do i see any marches about changing medicare nor any clamoring about decreasing defense spending. isn't this budget the golden goose being handed to the obama campaign. what about this? >> a couple of things. we do have to decrease our deficit. we do have to strengthen medicare. we don't have to do it the way congressman ryan or mitt romney
suggest we do it where the middle class and seniors bear all of the burdens and the millionaires and billionaires don't pay their fair share. it was wrong a year ago. i think the american people proved that. it's wrong today. there's a balanced way to achieve these goals. while protecting our seniors and strengthening the middle class. >> what does strengthening medicare mean? to the consumer strengthening medicare means you're going to pay more. there's going to be more benefit. >> look what wea've done with health care reform. seniors are getting their drugs at a discount. the donut hole will be closed over the course of the next several years. they're already getting a 50% discount. the president put forward other proposals to extend medicare. we're fighting fraud. we had a record number of fraud
collections of people trying to defraud medicare. we want to close loopholes on drug companies and decrease those subsidiesubsidies. we want to increase quality. it's improving their care and ensuring the guarantee of medicare. >> all of those things you mentioned very positive. every republican candidate say they want to repeal all of that. i think that's part of that golden goose to be carved up. it would just seem to me that with romney now being very supportive of this budget plan, is the president going to attack this plan and attack his opponents for supporting it because it's not where the country is. what's the plan? >> the campaign spoke out about this today. we disagree with the ryan plan. we believe that romney's plan is worse than the ryan plan. the white house also spoke out about the ryan budget plan. we think it's the wrong way to
go for the country and medicare. we've got our own plan. we're going to continue pursuing our own plan. like last year the ryan plan will fall flat. we saw republicans even running away from the ryan plan last year. it's not just bad politics, it's bad policy, and that's what matters most. >> i believe next week the supreme court will start hearing oral arguments on the health care act that was passed. what impact do you think this will have on the campaign? how confident are you going to get a favorable ruling in the end? >> we believe it's constitutional. we've been following the case as it moves up through the courts. this is a constitutional provision. we're going to continue talking about the benefits of the law and ensuring that people understand how they can take advantage of it. you know, if mitt romney is the
nominee, this will be an interesting discussion. he's the one that put the individual responsibility on the table first. he called ed a model for the nation because we agree with him. people should take responsibility for their own health care. we want to protect these things that are benefits people and mitt romney wants to take them away. >> i was out in the middle of the country and i heard north dakota governor gave the return address to what the president had to say on a saturday. he said that the president is going to raise our taxes. is that true? >> well, he wants to reduce t taxes for the middle class and protect the gains and restoring middle class security. we do want people to pay their fair share which is why he put the buffet rule out there to make sure that millionaires and billionaires pay the same rate of taxes as the middle class. he supports not extending the bush high end tax cuts to make
some investments in things we need to grow, reducing the deficit, investing in education and energy. if that's what he's talking about, we want people to nar fair share. >> that's not 98% of americans. >> it's definitely not 98% of americans. >> great to have you. >> thank you. big developments in the killing of a florida teenager, t trayvon martin. a grand jury will convene. trayvon's final phone call. as the economy gets better, mitt romney's reason for running for president is evaporating. richard wolf joins me. [ donovan ] i hit a wall.
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welcome back to "the ed show." the illinois primary is still too early to call with mitt romney leading. we'll keep you updated. we now know what trayvon martin was doing in the moments he was killed by george zimmerman. he was talking on the phone with his 16-year-old girlfriend. he was not casing houses as zimmerman suggested. he was coming back to the neighborhood with a bag of skittles and was chased by a vigilante with a 9 millimeter
handgun. there's been some movement from law enforcement in this case even though george zimmerman has not been arrested. the department of justice and the fbi are opening a formal investigation into the killing of trayvon martin. in florida the seminole state attorney has ordered a grand jury to convene on april 10th. trayvon's 16-year-old girlfriend told the martin family lawyer about her final call with trayvon. >> he said the man was watching him. he put his hoodie on. >> keep in mind george zimmerman was sitting in the safety and comfort of his suv and he then decided to pursue trayvon martin even though a dispatcher told him not to. the girlfriend told trayvon to return. later on the girlfriend was still on the phone with trayvon when george zimmerman con fronted him. >> he said what are you stalking me for and the man said what are you doing around him.
somebody pushed him. >> she called right back but he didn't answer. he had died from a gunshot wound to the chest. here is the martin family lawyer. >> he kept pursuing trayvon martin. how do we know? because this young lady connects the dots. she connects the dots. she completely blows zimmerman absurd self-defense claim out of the water. we're going to turn this over to the department of justice and they're investigation because the family does not trust the sanford police department and anything to do with the investigation. >> there is more. nbc news believes zimmerman use add racial slur on the 911 call. >> which entrance is that he's headed toward. ? >> the back entrance. >> let's bring in reverend al
sharpton and charles blow. gentlemen, thank for your time. a lot of things have changed in the last 24 hours. the racial slur would be relevant to motive, particularly a hate crime. what's your take on this? >> i think the racial slur as well as the phone calls that the mr. zimmerman, the killer in this case, had made several reports over the last several months, all of which he identified race. it seemed as though there was always this preoccupation with race even some people have said to know him he seemed to really be obsessive on fighting crime and focusing on young black males. all of this would be part of a consideration on a hate crime. i think that clearly as you said, that the statements by the young lady blows any self-defense, i think it was already blown because he says on the 911 tape that he was
pursuing trayvon. trayvon was not pursuing him. how is that self-defense. this youngly day and the phone logs showing the times she was speaking to him will give real kre dense to her testimony because they will try to cross examine her and blow her statements out, how do they explain the phone logs and the fact he was talking to her at this time. how do you talk to your girlfriend if you're cases out houses to rob and you have no tools, no weapons, nothing to do a robbery. i think this is devastating for zimmerman's story. >> charles, if you could compare the girlfriend's account with all the other witnesses who said they heard someone crying for help. put this all together for us. what do you think? >> her statement is prior to the other 911 calls. there is no overlap between the 911 tapes we've already heard
and the statement from the young lady. there appears to be some overlap between zimmerman's 911 call and what this young lady describes. some of it is not necessarily joshing the way it should. for instance, she explains that trayvon notices zimmerman watching him before he puts on his hoodie. what you hear zimmerman saying this guy has on a hoodie and there's some equivocation on whether he can identify race. if he had it down, you would definitely know he was black before when you called 911. >> based on the phone calls, it's clear that this man pursued the victim? how much more evidence does the district attorney need? >> it's clear if you're to believe this young lady's
testimony. if you listen to what zimmerman is saying himself, he is purs pursuing trayvon. this child is trying to get away from him and the girlfriend is trying to help him figure out a way to get away whether he will run or whether he will walk fast or whatever the case may be. what happens is and this is very important, ed, there becomes an exchange according to this young lady where trayvon turns to zimmerman and says why are you following me. that is the opportunity for zim zimmerman to say i'm in charge of the neighborhood watch. i want to make sure you belong here or something to that effect, to identity yourself as the authority and what you're doing following him. to that child, like any other child, you are a stranger and we have taught our children to stay away from strangers and get away from them if they're following you. who does not seize that opportunity? that's a big problem. >> in young martin teenager
might have thought he was a sexual predator. >> could thought he was anything. >> reverend you're going down there. i've asked the question on radio, the city commissioners, the mayor, the county commissioners, the police chief, where are these folks? >> that's a good question that we're going to raise. not only where are they, if you have 911 tapes where he is saying he's pursuing trayvon. if he himself did not do what he said he would do, not only did the dispatcher say we don't need you to follow, he agreed and then do the opposite. how do you at any point, if you're the police, let him go with self-defense claim, when you have 911 tapes that does the opposite of that? that is why he should have been arrested and should still be arrested right now because there's no evidence to support self-defense even under florida law because the evidence they
have says he was the one that was pursuing. he was not under threat. if he has any other evidence then he has to present that at a trial. they can't take his word for that and say let me explain that because then they are now allowing limb to do what they're not allowing others to do and that is testify without a trial. >> here is more from the family lawyer at the press conference. >> why didn't the sanford police department do a drug and alcohol analysis on him? they did one on trayvon martin who was dead on the ground. why did they do it on george zimmer man? you ask yourself why didn't they take a background check on the man who had just killed this kid in cold blood. they did a background check on trayvon martin. >> if this is true, what does this say about the police investigation, mr. blow? >> it really does raise a lot of questions. it's very unsettling to hear that. if that is true, it points to the idea that you are assuming
that the person who is the victim and is dead is in somehow the aggressor in this case based on only on the person who pulled the trigger word. that's a very disturbi ining precedent to set. that says a lot that says if you are killed, we will take the killer's opinion over yours even in death. that is a very very interesting comment to make about a dead child. >> we should point out that abc reporter that the neighborhood watch was not registered and neighborhood watch volunteers are not supposed to be carrying firearms. >> i think the last two things that you said and that charles blow said are important. one, i think the department of justice has to also investigate the role of the police and how they behave and what they did and did not do and why and
second, you would have to question in the justice department investigation if the neighborhood watch was not registered, then why were they treating him like he was an official neighborhood watch person and why was he treated interrogation in that way. >> you see this redefining the rules of neighborhood watch and responsibilities. it would seem to me there's going to have to be a full examine nation of how that program works. >> hold up it works and how the police department with an unregistered self-appointed mabd watchman. as another mandatory ultrasound bill passes in ohio. one man says women don't understand the difference between con sent chul sex and rape.
welcome back. illinois republican primary is still too early to call with mitt romney leading. republicans on the national sta stage. yesterday the idaho stay senate passed its on mandatory ultrasunds bill forcing women considering abortion to undergo ultrasound first. the bill sponsors state senator suggested that woman might use rape as an excuse to get an abortion. i would hope a woman goes into a physician with a rape issue that physician will ask her about her marriage, was this pregnancy caused by normal relations in marriage or was it truly caused
by a rape. meanwhile, aman who says he will defund planned parenthood, if he becomes president of the united states, told a crowd in illinois, that women are on their own when it comes to health care. >> where you would suggest the millions of women who receive their health services such as mammograms and hpv vaccines go? >> they can go where they like to go. the federal government should not tax these people to pay for planned parenthood. >> we have breaking news here on msnbc. nbc news projects mitt romney is the winner of the illinois primary. mitt romney winning illinois tonight. i'm joined tonight by karen finn finney as the news comes in and
richard wolf political analyst with us tonight here on "the ed show." great to have you with us. karen, first of all, your thoughts on mitt romney. he seems to be the tortoise that newt gingrich was talking about. >> another state and more delegates and millions of dollars spent to get the delegates. the cost of delegate seems to be going up. i would imagine when we see the results, it will be interesting when we dig deeper into the data, i imagine we will see the same pattern appearing where mitt romney has been winning in the more urban areas and santorum has been doing better on the suburban areas or more rural areas. it will the be interesting to see that pattern. what it says is mitt romney's argument about the number of delegates stays intact but he still has not shown the
abilitiability to win across the republican party. >> richard, this is supposed to be santorum territory and i'm not just talking about illinois. we're talking about wall streeter in mitt romney coming into ohio and in michigan and in illinois. there's a lot of lunch bucket workers in those states. a lot of middle classers who work with their hands that are wage earners connected to labor as well. this is supposed to be rick santorum's strength when he talks to the middle class, yet he can't win the states. it would seem the romney team would be playing this up big. >> this is early in the counting for the result to come through. it's a bigger state for delegates. they should be crowing about it. he won among women. he won among catholics. those chicago suburbs going a long way. if you can wrack up the vote in those chicago suburbs and in low turn out election, romney could
get over the top by putting out the turn out operation there. one interesting number on the exit polls, even on a big night night for mitt romney he lost among republican voters earning less than $100,000 a year. he lose republicans earning less than 100,000, what's your message to the general election audience especially those independent voters, those working families? >> not only that but if you're supporting the new ryan budget plan, it would seem to be doubly tough in that regard as well. when it comes to electability there's polling that says this is what helped mitt romney. what about that, karen? >> the more this contest goes on, the santorum campaign is trying to make the argument that i can really be in the hunt here if you give me a chance. he wants to stop folk who is
have made up their minds who have said romney is the more electability one. i might like santorum, but i'm going to go to romney. that's the duelling narratives. clearly people think romney will be -- one of the reason he's the more viable candidate. he's got the money and the intrastructure and organization. i think we have seen with some of the mistakes he's made and his inability to recover from that is because he's won a lean and mean campaign. there is something to be said for organization. >> you just saw that number up there about electability. it looks very strong for mitt romney. polling also, there it is, romney at 71%. santorum at 17, gingrich at 10 and ron paul almost nonexist ents. the dog story on top of the car doesn't seem to be registering with anybody other than just being entertainment for some. when you look at romney, just as the story we played before we
broke the news that he's won the illinois primary, he's telling women they are on their own when it comes to health care. richard, how does he get around this? how does he sure up the women of this country who are in major question about where the republican party stands. >> he's got a lot of work to do to get back to those women voters where he used to perform very well. we're not just talking about republican women. he's got to get back the suburban independent women who are critical and critical in cycles past and they will be in the future. actually for a lot of those people, the dog story does resonate. it's health. it's character. it's leadership. i want to come back to the electability question. if you look at the exit polls, none of the candidates get more than 40% enthusiasm. they're supporters do not feel that strongly about them. republican voters want this race to continue because they're really not that satisfied.
when they look another electabilities, it's not a judgment of passion or heart, it's one about the head. that doesn't bode well for turn out in the general election. >> karen finney, richard wolf, always a pleasure. karen, we'd like you to stay with us with the war on women. breaking news. nbc projects mitt romney the winner of the illinois republican primary. we'll be back on "the ed show." stay with us.
mitt romney wants to defund planned parenthood and told a crowd in illinois that they are on their own when it comes to health care. >> you made it clear you're not in support of planned parenthood. i'm wonder where you would suggestion the millions of women who receive their mammograms and hpv vaccines go? >> they can go where ever they like to go. the federal government should not tax these people to play for planned parenthood. >> i'm joined my karen finney.
well, being the former communications director would seem to me that mitt romney and the republicans have got quite a heavy lift explaining to women. do you think women want to be on their own when it comes to their health care? >> no, absolutely not. i think women were very encouraged to hear from president obama that essentially what he said is we believe there are a basic level of services that should be covered for women and for men. contraception for women should be part of that. there's a whole suite of services that's good medicine for women. essentially what mitt romney is saying, i don't really care about that. i don't care about you. i don't care about your health. you're on your own and we'll figure something else out. that's going to be very distressing to a lot of women in a general election. i notice both he and santorum have had their wives at their side quite a bit over the last several weeks in an attempt to
appeal to women. >> romney has also called for title ten funds to be cut which allocate federal money for family planning. he endorsed the blunt amendment. can he continue to go down this road? how does this play in the general, you think? >> it's going to hurt him in the general. this is part of his attempt to prove to those folks on the right in the primary that he's really with them because there's all of this -- there's this whole record that's trailing him that suggests he's been on the other side of the issue. he's trying to double down and really prove himself to this audience. it will be interesting, say he's our general election candidate, which i think all of us believe he will be, let's see what kind of contortions he goes through again to have it both ways in a general election. >> in the sound bite we just played, it's clear he was more concerned with this persons taxes over here than he was for the health care of the woman what was asking the question.
here is another woman confronting romney at the same rally. >> you're like yeah freedom and all this stuff and yeah pursuit of happiness. what would make me happy, free birth control. >> let me tell you. let me tell you something. if you're looking for free stuff, you don't have to pay for, vote for the other guy. that's what he's all about. >> how does that play? notice that both of the women were of a younger demographic that asked the questions. >> it's a right. it's a couple of things. younger voters in particular really don't like this idea of the government telling them what you can and can't do with their bodies. none of that like that through younger voters in particular. in addition to that, it will come down to our current president believes there's some basic services we know are good medicine for women for
preventative health care that pe plooefs women ought to have access to without a copay. that shows, frankly, as much as he knows owners of football teams and nascar teams how out of touch he is with how women are living their lives. >> here is karen santorum on her husband's plan for women's health. >> he's supportive of women. he's surrounded by a lot of strong women. i think women have nothing to fear when it comes to contraception he will do nothing on that issue. >> that clearly contradict what is the candidate has said. how does it play? >> he's had his wife at his side in the last few weeks since he started getting himself in trouble with women voters. i think he's going to have to explain himself. you've got these guys out there talking about these measures. then you have